In lockstep through history, you will find great social change alongside material science.

The discoveries of the magical properties of glass, copper, quartz and steel ushered in the modern world but there are many men and women in this story who are often left out of the science and history books. 

Ainissa Ramirez, scientist and author of ‘The Alchemy of Us: How Humans and Matter Transformed One Another’ attempts to right this wrong - she joins Jonathan to discuss.