This week Susan talks to Franny Moyle about her new Biography of J.M.W Turner –‘The Extraordinary Life and Momentous Times of J.M.W. Turner’ and unpacks the relationship between art, science and religion with Roger Wagner and Andrew Briggs, authors of ‘The Penultimate Curiosity: How Science Swims in the Slipstream of Ultimate Questions’ published by Oxford University Press.

This weeks music comes from Jon Hopkins, Clem Leek and Balmorhea.