This week Susan speaks with Brad Habana, brother to one of the greats of South African rugby, Bryan Habana. Susan and Brad discuss their memories of great moments between Ireland and South Africa, discover their brothers were even closer than they first thought, and meeting with Nelson Mandela.

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