Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said yesterday, for the first time, that the cost for broadband nationally will be in the region of €3bn.

This is up from the €500m that was first mooted as a cost.

Are we getting value for money, and can we trust the procurement process?

Sean Bolger is the CEO of Imagine.

And Paul Davis is lecturer in DCU and works in the area of public procurement.

They joined Ivan to discuss, as he is fed up of politicians' waffle.