The number of people in prison in Ireland has reached 5,000 for the first time ever.

The Irish Penal Reform Trust say that these numbers show that “the Government’s approach to relieving the pressures on the bulging prison system is clearly failing”.

So, what is the solution? 

To discuss, Andrea is joined by former Mountjoy Governor, John Lonergan, former Assistant Governor, Niall Spelman and Kathleen Chada from the SAVE Action Group, as well as listeners.