Michael Lillis, Diplomatic adviser to Taoiseach Garett Fitzgerald and David Goodall’s opposite number on the Irish Negotiating team joined Pat to discuss 'the making of the Anglo-Irish agreement of 1985' book and the death of Pat Hume.

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