Shane Ross, Former minister for Transport who sat with Katherine Zappone at cabinet and John McGuinness, Fianna Fail TD for Carlow-Kilkenny, joined Kieran to give their reaction to today's events in the Katherine Zappone #MerrionGate saga...

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