10 years ago this week, the lifeless body of three-year-old Syrian boy Alan Kurdi was pictured washed up on a Greek beach…

The picture taken at the peak of the European migrant crisis received headlines around the world.

How have things been 10 years on, and how should we reflect on it?

Joining Kieran to discuss is Mark Mellett, Chief of Staff of Ireland's Defence Forces from 2015 until 2021 and John Lannon, CEO of Doras.