Earlier on this week on this show we discussed comments made by Former Sinn Féin TD Peadar Tóibín in relation to immigration needing  to be managed at a sustainable level.His comments were met with strong criticism from many who felt they fed into an anti immigrant sentiment, while others felt they opened up an important discussion around migration into Ireland.

Dan O’Brien chief economist at the institute of international and European affairs and columnist with Independent Newspapers joins Ivan on this evenings Hard Shoulder to discuss his article in today's Irish Independent about who we are actually talking about when it comes to immigration.